First,
tell us a little about you in under 200 words. How'd you get started writing?
There's
a picture of me, 5 years old, writing my first little story. My mom used
to put together little books with cardboard covers and yellow-paper pages, sewn
together and everything. I remember from the very first stories I was
able to read, wanting to write my own.
I
wrote off and on for a long time, through high school, college, wandering
around Asia; but I didn't get really serious about it until about 2004.
And I didn't start getting really serious - e.g., getting up at 4 o'clock
to write - until 2005-ish.
I
recently read about some 16-year old girl who has a chapbook or something
coming out and has already started college and wants to be in an MFA program
before she can legally drink. God, I would have broken my hands punching
walls if I had tried to chain (as is necessary) myself to a desk any time
before age 26.
You said 'wandering around Asia.' What took you there? What kept you there? And what brought you back?
What took me to Asia was 22 years in Nebraska. I was done with college and I just wanted out into the world. Got a job teaching English in Japan and went about as far away from my homeland as I could go without starting to come back again.
What brought me back was my daughter. We were living in a village in Thailand
and I knew I couldn't send her to school in the Third World. Someday
she (and my son, who was born later, in the US), may choose to go cross
the pond and live for a while on that side of their heritage, and that'd
be wonderful. But I felt it was my responsibility to bring them up
here so they'll have that choice to make someday. For lots of reasons,
going from the US to Thailand is far, far easier than the reverse.
You said 'wandering around Asia.' What took you there? What kept you there? And what brought you back?
What took me to Asia was 22 years in Nebraska. I was done with college and I just wanted out into the world. Got a job teaching English in Japan and went about as far away from my homeland as I could go without starting to come back again.
And
what are you doing when you aren't writing?
At
the day job at a community college. Playing with my kids. On FB and
Twitter and the blog more than I should be, probably. During the fall,
watching the Cornhuskers on Saturdays. Exercising.
Writers require
a lot of endorphins and dopamine and you can't get it all from bourbon. Exercise
helps keep those flowing and you feel better the next morning.
I
gallivanted around in my younger years, but I'm a pretty staid family man these
days. Mortgage and everything. In bed by 10 at the latest.
Does your time in Asia affect your writing? If so, how?
Does your time in Asia affect your writing? If so, how?
Absolutely. When I'm not writing about
my rural homeland, I'm writing about Asia. The experiences I had over
there gave me an inexhaustible trove of material to work with. (Not
that you need to go to Asia or anywhere, really, for that. Wasn't it
Flannery O'Connor who said that anyone who's survived childhood has
enough stories to last for life?)
I'm working on some stuff these days that mixes the
two. Imagining characters who look like my kids will twenty years from
now, and then having bad things happen to them.
What
attracts you to short fiction?
The
rush of finishing, I think. The fact that when you start there's always a
glaring light at the end of the tunnel.
A
novel can be such a slog. I've written 3 of them. (Want to see?)
Gearing up to write another, but I keep getting sucked into the
gratification of keeping it short.
We
swapped some messages on Twitter and you said you are moving from literary
fiction to crime and pulp fiction. Why?
You
know what Nabokov said: "You can always count on a murderer for a fancy
prose style."
The
older I get, the more I like stories. Plot. Forward progression.
Something besides beautiful sentences to keep me flicking through the
pages. Don't get me wrong. I like artful sentences strung together one
after another. I just want them to tell me a story.
I
feel likewise in my own writing. I want to tell a story. To quote
Brad Green in his intro to the PANK Crime Issue,
"Whereas the literary story is often concerned with how characters react
to a given situation, the [pulp story] is obsessed with showing us how we
behave during the situation itself." I agree with this
wholeheartedly.
I
would say, though, that there's a difference between good pulp fiction and the
formulaic potboilers put out by the James Patterson and Nora Robertsons or
whoever of the world. A story's no good if it's wrapped in turgid prose.
The sentences still have to sing.
What
I'm writing now is story. If it doesn't contribute to the forward
narrative of said story, I delete it. No subtext. No symbolism.
Just story.
Which
is easier to write? I assume that many people would hear you're switching to
pulp/crime fiction and they'd think it's because it's easier to write.
I
don't think any good writing comes easily. Emphasis on the good.
For me, it's all about mutilated drafts, dozens of them. The
process hasn't gotten any easier; it's just that the categories are different.
In some respects, writing pulp is a lot harder, because you can't hide
limp-wristed character development and hackneyed plot lines behind pretty
sentences.
Literary
fiction at its best moves you to a state of aesthetic bliss; pulp at its best
keeps you riveted to the story. Both are rare.
When
you finish a piece of mediocre literary fiction, you're thinking, "So
what?" Finishing is like eating a whole bowl of cold oatmeal because
you don't want to waste anything on account of the kids starving in Africa.
(Which may have something to do with why so few non-writers start such
stories in the first place.)
A
mediocre piece of pulp, you're not likely to ever finish. You'll start
yawning and find a better way to spend your time. All perfectly
guilt-free. Pulp that doesn't keep you entertained isn't doing its job,
and that's how it should be.
Maintaining
the fictive dream in the reader is a hard job to pull off in any genre, but it
seems to me that it's harder when the reader has no qualms about looking away.
I
looked at your blog and your current acceptance rate is roughly 10
percent. I think someone who doesn't write would look at that number and say,
"What's the point?" So, what is the point? How do you keep from
getting discouraged?
An
unknown writer like myself is paid in the currency of hope. It only takes
one after all, right? The right magazine, the right editor, the right
agent, the right Twitter contact, the right amalgam in the marketplace, the
right google algorithm.
The
amount of luck required is outrageous.
But
thanks to the internet, we're living in a world where the supply of fiction
vastly outweighs the demand. Them's the facts. I don't think you do
yourself any favors by ignoring reality.
I
don't keep from getting discouraged. I'm discouraged all the time. All
the time. Especially now that I've been writing a lot for a number of
years, and success remains elusive. Every time another rejection arrives
from one of those prestigious, super-cool mags I lust to see my name in.
Every irretrievable day passing by that didn't see me get any worthwhile
writing done.
I always
feel like I'm on the outside looking in. Like all the real, successful
writers are enjoying solitary parties in vast mansions of acclaim and prestige
and money up on the hill, and I'm in my jackshack in the valley, one naked
light bulb strung from the ceiling, that distant music tinkling through the
warped tin roof.
Possibly
I suffer under the delusion of the sunk cost fallacy.
But then that dionysian demon Hope raises her ravishingly hideous face,
and it's back to the page I go.
What
makes a good piece of short fiction?
If
you read it all the way through in one setting.
How
about flash fiction? It has so many different definitions, but, in general,
what are your feelings on it? I know that, for me, if it gets too short I find
it a little too sparse and the stories hard to follow.
I
really like the form, myself. But, like any other form, it has to be done
well. A thousand words or less is an excellent length to explore one
incident or impression, maybe two. Sort of like the Iambic tetrameter or
tanka poetry, it enforces a certain discipline, an insistence that every word
be pared down to its maximum meaning.
It's
a mystery to me why, in this Twittified and Facebooked era, flash fiction has
not achieved more prominence outside writerly circles. I suspect it's
because we're all doing it wrong, somehow.
Usually
I ask for three essential books, but since we are talking short fiction here
can you give us three essential pieces of short fiction. Pieces that either
shaped who you are as a writer or just stuff you thought was really cool.
"Atomic
Supernova", by Scott Wolven
"The
Need," by Frank Bill
"Escape
From Spiderhead," by George Saunders
"The
Peony Garden," Nagai Kafu
What
about some writers you think are underappreciated. Who's out there that more
people should know about?
Writers
who aren't nearly well-known enough:
Scott
Wolven is my nomination for best unknown out there. Why this guy isn't
famous, Hollywood directors flocking to his door, editors stepping over dead
bodies to get to him, is beyond me. I wrote more about him here.
The
British writer Danny Hogan wrote a cracking good novella called Jailbait
Justice.
David
Cranmer, editor of Beat To A Pulp, is single-handedly transforming the Western
into a noir showpiece with his Cash Laramie & Miles Gideon series.
Google
Matthew C. Funk and you can't go wrong. Everything that guy writes
crackles like a live wire.
My
friend Brad Green can elevate a sentence to Elysium in a single comma splice.
Marc
Horne wrote my favorite indie novel of all time, Tokyo Zero.
Glenn
Gray is also a doctor and therefore knows how to induce delicious willies.
Roxane
Gay has a following among the internet literati, but on the strength of her
writing she deserves more. I think she's going to get it in due time.
What's
up next for you? Anything coming up that we should look for?
I've got stories coming out next year in All Due Respect, Yellow Mama, Flywheel, and Necessary Fiction. I'm also going to be in the Off The Record anthology put together by Luca Veste, and the upcoming inaugural Dirty Noir quarterly.
I'm
also going to be editing a special Pulp Issue for PANK that will come out
next spring. Subs are going to open next month, so send your best stories
my way.
Excellent interview, gentlemen. And I love the list of authors you mention, Court. I'm looking forward to reading all of you stories next year.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Sabrina - I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of them.
ReplyDeleteSort of like talking with you over a beer in Boulder.
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